Research Reviews/Case Studies To Go Deep Or Not To Go Deep..That Is The Confusion! by Andre Noel Potvin | Date Released : 01 Feb 2000 0 comments Print Close Have you heard of this debate (sometimes its an argument) regarding the bench press and just how far down you should bring the arms during the eccentric phase (down-phase)? If so, perhaps I can offer a solution to this controversy. Often, debates of this nature are the result of "all-or-nothing" thinking; that is, there is a "right" way and a "wrong" way to performing an exercise. Members/instructors argue, "This is the way the exercise is SUPPOSED to be performed." Really? Why? Consider this concept: "There is no right or wrong way to perform an exercise." There is only a more appropriate or less appropriate, more effective or less effective, higher-risk or lower-risk approach based on a person's physical limitations, biomechanical joint structures, joint alignment, muscle density, lifestyle, goals, etc. There are no absolutes here. Before giving an exercise to someone, the fitness professional needs to address these factors and provide modifications accordingly. Before we can make a decision as to what to recommend, consider some key facts about the shoulder: The healthy glenohumeral joint (shoulder), during the bench press, is designed to move 120° (4) that is 30° below the parallel. As the workload increases, more stress is applied to the joint and its capsule ligament (1) muscle which, when in a stretched position like deep bench press, cannot produce as much force as when it is in its mid-range of contraction (3). Workloads that are greater than 80% of 1RM (fatigue occurs within 8 reps or less) will put the joint under greater stress when dropping arms past parallel (2). There is a mismatch of forces at the shoulder when the arms drop below parallel; the mechanical angle of 100°-120° puts a strong stretch on the primary muscles, decreasing their force production, while at the same time the resistance is having its greatest impact (5) . Those with humeral heads (shoulder knobs) that have glided too far forward (shoulders appear quite knobby or rolled forward) experience greater overloads on the shoulder joint sooner in the range of motion (ROM). Those who have shoulders that sit well back into the socket and in-line with the ear have a stronger mechanical advantage (2). As a person ages, atrophy may occur in the shoulder muscles making them less able to produce the forces needed to protect the shoulder in more vulnerable joint ROM's such as deep dips, behind-the-neck presses, DB bench presses, pec deck etc. (2) . As we all age, our tissues/cells do not regenerate as they did when we were in our twenties. With long term high-intensity resistance exercise, the body tissues experience wear and tear that is not as quickly repaired. Those individuals, who continue to use the workloads of their youth, may be at a higher risk for injury. Depth of chest and arm length will enhance or reduce ones mechanical advantage for producing force at the shoulder; the lifter who has a stocky, barrel chest and short arms, will have the advantage over the lifter who is tall with a shallow chest and long arms; the bar will touch the chest of the stocky lifter sooner in the ROM, while the tall lifter will have to drop his arms well below parallel to get the bar to the chest, putting his shoulder at a greater risk for injury. Most shoulder injuries (during chest exercises) occur when the arms are at 100°-120° and the resistance is above 80% 1RM (1,2); rarely does someone injure themselves using a dowel rod in these deeper ROM positions. Chest exercises need to be modified according to the individual, some (the fortunate few that have the genetics and mechanics), will always be able to bring the bar to the chest with heavy loads and never have a problem. However, the majority of individuals are at higher risk for injury at deeper ROM’s and need to be made aware of these risks. Convincing the Masses To explain these concepts to the "less responsive to suggestions" client/staff etc., try using one or more of the facts or points above to support your position. Perhaps even post this article on the wall where it will be noticed. Encourage people to ask you for clarification of these points. If you, the fitness professional, have questions about this article, email them to me at the address below, I would be happy to elaborate and discuss this topic further. "I've been doing this for 15 years and never had an injury?" Sound familiar? Some people "who have never had a shoulder injury" while performing deep Bench Presses etc. usually have one or more of the following advantages over the rest of us: Very large, deep chest, with shorter lever arms that do not drop the shoulder below the 110° position. The head of the humerus sits solidly into the socket of the scapula and is located in line with the ear or behind Large muscle mass surrounding the shoulder which can offset the imposed stresses on the joint structures Strong regeneration capacity of collagen in connective tissue around the joint. As long as these individuals do not experience any signs or symptoms of acute or chronic shoulder pain, there is NO reason for them to not go deep. Those of us who don't have these advantages or experience shoulder pain, may be better off modifying the chest exercise ROM when working with loads above 80% of 1RM. Your Role as a Fitness Professional As an instructor, your role is to provide your clients/participants with the knowledge, guidance, support and resources so that they can protect themselves when exercising. It is up to the participant or client to then decide what they would like to do with this information. You are not responsible for their actions and decisions; they are the ones who make their own choices. You merely act as a guide. How many psychiatrists does it take to change a light bulb? Just one, but that light bulb has got to want to change! Often, people respond better to your suggestions when you present new information in an educational manner and place no expectations or judgments on them to take these suggestions. So? When addressing the question "to go deep or not to go deep" you can respond, "that depends?" Happy Training! Reference: NSCA: Essentials of Strength Training and Conditioning; HK Publishers, Chapter 3, pp.42, 1994 Purvis T: Body Parts: Analysis I & II, Video Series. Focus on Fitness, 21 W Wilshire Blvd, Oklahoma 73116, 1996. Tortora/Grabowski. Principles of Anatomy and Physiology (9th ed.)., 2000 John Wiley and Sons, pp.278-280 Vives D. Commentary. Journal of Strength and Conditioning, February 2000. 22:1, pp. 55-56 Westcott W. Strength Fitness: Physiological Principles and Training Techniques (3rd ed) WC Brown Publ. 1987 Back to top About the author: Andre Noel Potvin André Noël Potvin is a fitness educator and rehabilitation exercise specialist with 22 years of leadership experience and 13 years of specialization in clinical exercise and post injury rehabilitation. He is currently managing partner of EnerChanges Medical, Health, Wellness and Fitness Clinic in Vancouver. André holds a M.Sc. in cardiac rehabilitation from the University of British Columbia, where he served for four years on the teaching faculty of the School of Human Kinetics. He is a certified Clinical Exercise Specialist (CES) of the American Council on Exercise and an NSCA Certified Strength and Conditioning Specialist (CSCS). André is also founding president and owner of INFOFIT Educators School for Fitness Professionals and a BCRPA Trainer of Leaders. Andre was awarded as the BCRPA Program Director of the Year for 2008. 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